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Now, isn't that what our right to choose is all about? Choosing what fits our person/life the absolute best. I personally did not choose an abortion - but I sure will defend another woman's right to legally and safely obtain one.

Same principle in action here. In my meager opinion, those who are offended by your stand might reexamine why they have adopted their position!

Now that I've opened the door, I sure hope I can handle what comes my way because of my comments. I don't usually leave ANY comments on blogs because of the fall-out I encountered previously. But you keep on doing what makes your world work.

Oh, motherhood makes you smarter. It just doesn't make you smarter in ways that have anything to do with remembering stuff (and I would argue that's not really a measure of intelligence anyway- who cares that when my 4th child was 3 months old or so, I couldn't remember which corner of the envelope the stamp goes on?)
On the marriage issue, I assume that you and Rhys have durable powers of attorney and that sort of thing? Those horror stories of not being able to make medical decisions, etc. are one of the issues that give me the big time chills.

well, just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean that you're obliged to do it, just that the choice is there for you to make personally rather than have it made for you.

And as for being smarter after kids, I wasn't even smart enough to finish reading the article! lol

Anna

Hey Cate, thanks for the comment about L. Irigaray ... how did I know you'd be a card-carrying Irigaray-spouting feminist as well??! :) And thanks for the hugs about the week of crap (figurative and literal). I agree with you about the institution of marriage ... I'm not religious so I don't think it's a "big deal" and I have a tough time understanding why it is for others. DH and I got married by a man named Darwin in the mountains outside of Estes Park, CO. I do think the financial benefits of unions are worth it, however! Take care back to you.
P.S. I'm drooling over that cashmere!

Nope. You didn't offend me. I chose to marry my partner, but carefully considered the meaning of the whole "institution." I am torn about this issue. Friends from college, where I was a women's studies major, always harassed me about being a "1970s lesbian" which basically meant a "radical lesbian feminist" and not a "postmodern identity lesbian." Whatever. Really, I'm probably both. So I chose marriage as a political statement. We have the right, let's use it. But I still don't like the institution and the effects its had on women over the last millennia.

The more important congratulations is -- CONGRATS on being together for over 13 years and having twins and a house and jobs and hobbies and and and. That dedication and commitment is worth a celebration. Even if you aren't legally married, this is a time to celebrate gay relationships, however they are structured. Break out the streamers!

Nope. You didn't offend me. I chose to marry my partner, but carefully considered the meaning of the whole "institution." I am torn about this issue. Friends from college, where I was a women's studies major, always harassed me about being a "1970s lesbian" which basically meant a "radical lesbian feminist" and not a "postmodern identity lesbian." Whatever. Really, I'm probably both. So I chose marriage as a political statement. We have the right, let's use it. But I still don't like the institution and the effects its had on women over the last millennia.


The more important congratulations is -- CONGRATS on being together for over 13 years and having twins and a house and jobs and hobbies and and and. That dedication and commitment is worth a celebration. Even if you aren't legally married, this is a time to celebrate gay relationships, however they are structured. Break out the streamers!

The whole idea is you should have that choice. My cousin is Icelandic and when she and her wife were dating it was simple for them to decide their future together because marriage was available for them. That's the way it should be. There are plenty of straight people who choose to be with their significant other without that piece of paper and it doesn't lessen the commitment one bit (I've always felt it means a little more when you stay every day without the law telling you it's your obligation but that's just me).

I'm with you on the institution. I recommend Nancy Cott's Sacred Vows if you don't mind reading history (well written but nevertheless a bit heavy). Doesn't 13 years feel scary sometimes? Does to me but nice too.

And don't apologize about the radical feminism stuff. Makes a lot of sense. Those who think it is an insult usually don't understand what it's about.

um, yeah, i'm totally offended. just last night, no joke, without even realizing it was the aniversary, i was thinking, "when are rhys and cate going to make honest women of each other?" look, i love a wedding, and i've yet to go to a real live lesbian one that's legal and all that, and you and rhys are the only real live lesbians who i know who live in mass., so i think you really need to get over all this retro-70's-radical-feminist-oh-the-institution-of-marriage-is-so-backwards-(did you really use the word "chattel"?)-crap and just get over it and get married, okay? choice, shmoice, i think you owe it to the rest of us to have a big old party. look, you could register at webs! a radical lesbian feminist fiber freak wedding!

xoxo

marta

I have to say, I'm sorta with Marta :) Especially on the registering part. Wouldn't THAT be more fun than Filene's or china.

Offended? Heck no. You two are poster children for how to run a good relationship. If you don't want the piece of paper, you've proven pretty conclusively that you don't need it. In fact, in my not so humble opinion, anyone who _needs_ that piece of paper just to stay together shouldn't marry at all.

That being said, we married over a year after it became legal, at a time when it looked like it made be made un-legal (as opposed to illegal). Taxes are more complicated, but now children and last names thereof will be easier.

You are inspirational. I have to agree with Nancy. The choice should be completely unremarkable, whether to marry or not to.

As for the wedding part....might I suggest throwing an UNwedding....party...gifts of a registry or fibrey variety, lovely cake. Satisfies the friends, and avoids the tax-paperwork.

Hugs

Congratulations to both of you! I have to agree, it sounds like you all have a wonderful thing going, and as long as everyone's happy, then fabulous! As others have commented, the important thing is that the option exists. Then again, I'm sure *someone* would come up with some qiviut as a wedding present...

I've got to disagree with the article, though, on some of the hormones involved - prolactin and oxytocin may not dumb you down much, but estrogen can be a b!tch on working memory and processing speed. I know I've always felt smart as a box of hair while pregnant, and the ability to do simple mental math fast came back on at around 6 - 9 months postpartum. Still feeling a bit ditzy now at 10.5 months out, but I think with twins it's a whole different ballgame. Your kids are darling, by the way.

Happy Anniversary, and good for you both for doing as you see fit, although I second the nervousness about the powers of attorney and all that...specially with kids around...and that offer of quiviut. Jeez. That's a reason enough to have a big party :-)

I had a child, I became totally scattered. Okay, I was a little like that before, but I really think something happened during nursing...I felt like my brain fell out. And then there are all the bits and pieces for a small person that you have to remember in addition to your own bits and pieces...it's amazing how people still manage to be fed, clothed and clean around here :-)

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