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mamacate

Yes. I was nodding my head in vigorous agreement when I read your comments about Bruno's behavior in the focus group. I admit that it would have been interesting to see how the other focus group participants reacted to that statement, though they didn't really show that. Of course it could have been one of those parts where I had my hands over my eyes and was squealing "shut up! SHUT UP!" too loudly to be able to hear the TV. Just saying. But I'm guessing it would have been one of those "okaaaaay. next..." kind of reactions. I guess that, if he didn't have an agenda to PUSH that perspective, I'd be okay with him floating that idea to see how people responded to a black person saying that. Yeah, minus the N word. But in the context of what came after, very not okay.

Having the focus groups at the beginning, I think, was an attempt to get things moving, to give the participants something to talk about even if nothing happened early on that was really challenging. I think it was also an interesting (and challenging) inital foray into engaging issues of race from the other side.

Interesting about immigration being a code word. I think you're absolutely right. What makes it okay to be racist out loud in terms of immigration and not in terms of domestic differences? I suppose anti-immigrant statements don't threaten the "greatest country" idea--that *as long as you're an American* you can achieve anything. So we want to keep other people from playing in that pool, keep a lid on things, etc. That's not as dangerous as admitting that equality of opportunity does NOT exist in this country.

I actually think immersion would have been too close to pretending that this actually represented a transferred experience. I think the moving back and forth highlights the limits of the exercise. And that's a good thing.

I have mixed feelings about the class issues. I am not sure I agree about the centrality of class in this situation. In some ways, I do think class can affect how one relates to racism--I think that whites with low SES backgrounds may be more likely to subscribe to a "bootstraps" belief system, and to deny racism and to actively perpetrate racism because of a perception of scarce resources and "unfair advantages" in an enviornment where any advantage is rare. But I think that class may be overstated as a mediating force for high SES blacks. Regardless of who you are, racism will affect you, and while high SES blacks have many opportunities (the underrepresentation of blacks in the ranks of this country's high SES population notwithstanding), they're still black when being pulled over for a traffic stop, walking down the street, or buying golf shoes for that matter. I actually think keeping class somewhat separate from this exercise is worthwhile, but I'm interested in hearing more about the other perspective.

Okay, have we reached the longest comment in history quotient? Not yet? Oh good.

Minh TV-ologist

You're right, this has been done before ... I can't find the video, but here's the transcript:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/84/84iwhitelikeeddie.phtml

Thorny

I forgot this show was on, and usually avoid reality TV in general, so didn't plan on watching it. But this discussion is so interesting, I may have to change my mind.

I was struck by your mention of class influences in all of this - I remember hearing several years ago about research somebody did where they asked a bunch of people how they would describe themselves. The people who described themselves as "middle class" included people who made as little as $30,000/yr up to folks who made something like $250,000/yr.

So while I can see how they don't want to make a /big/ issue about class, I do think it would be interesting to at least have mentioned.

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